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8 years 6 months ago #13377

They have put the pressure onto Munster for this one, no harm/shame in the winning streak finishing in Thomond Park in December and allows Ulster to continue on without what could become a millstone for the team.


Very good point. Will also be good to see Cochrane in action if he's supposed to be heading to Connacht at the end of the season.


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8 years 6 months ago #13380

forecast very bad for tomorrow nite in limk apparantly. wind , sleet and cold rain expected which will tighten up the game considerably. still expect the win but bp mite be difficult if conditions materialise.

ulster did this last year aswell for xmas game in rds. they prioritise the home game which is fair enough.

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8 years 6 months ago #13381

Should be a comfortable Munster win and with Cardiff at home the following week they should have a good run of results heading into the final 2 HC games.

This game again highlights the nonsense of player management. Two of the top teams in the league should be let go hammer and tongs against one another with players from both sides wanting to strengthen their international claims, give greater credibility to the league and get both sides primed for european battles ahead. Munster v Ulster A and an awful Cardiff side is going to get them points on the board but won't help development wise.

Ulster are in a position where they can let a couple of these away matches slip by them. If they can beat Scarlets at home next week they'll still be very well primed to take top spot and with it a home semi-final and (potential) final.

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8 years 6 months ago #13382

ulster cant play final in ravenhill atm as venue requires capacity of 18k plus to host final. i read somewhere that there were capacity minimums for semis as well but i cant find reference to them on the pro12 site.

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8 years 6 months ago #13393

a wins a win but dissapointed with the performance. took too long to stert playing and they made changes and ultimately switched off again far too early.
why Rog had to be brought on at 50 min is beyond me.imo he shouldnt even have been on the bench. JJ should have and he could have gone to 12 to give downey a rest at 50. a chance lost and affected munsters rythym at a time they were going very well imo.

on the positives i thought Archer did well when introduced even in scrumand against court for some of it too.

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8 years 6 months ago #13395

rossie wrote: a wins a win but dissapointed with the performance. took too long to stert playing and they made changes and ultimately switched off again far too early.
why Rog had to be brought on at 50 min is beyond me.imo he shouldnt even have been on the bench. JJ should have and he could have gone to 12 to give downey a rest at 50. a chance lost and affected munsters rythym at a time they were going very well imo.

on the positives i thought Archer did well when introduced even in scrumand against court for some of it too.


I'd agree. Hit and miss performance by Munster. No real need for ROG on the bench when it was well flagged that Ulster would be weakened. Then again he'd probably have thrown a hissy fit if he wasn't there!! :whistle:

Pity Ulster selected NOC at 10. If they'd give even Olding a shot at 10, we might have had a match.

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8 years 6 months ago #13400

I didn't see the whole match but I did see a point where they went to the analysis box to hear about how Munster might be playing a new Penney style of rugby but its only when they go back to basics that they start to look dangerous. I'm really sick of this nonsense from almost all elements of the media, no matter who the team is made up of or coached by there will always be a place for simple moves with forwards carrying and breaking through defenses.

Imo based on the way this has continued to be pushed as rugby gospel, there is more than a little 'go home yank/kiwi' undertone to it. I think an awful lot of people in positions with a voice want things to stay the same and won't ever be happy until a Munster man (ie Foley) assumes the kidney mantle. Unfortunately this is not in Munster's best interests and may well damage the province long term. I'm not sure McGahan was ever given a chance and its only now that he's gone that he's started to get credit for the work he did which Penney is building on.

Too many people in the media have the provinces divided into simple categories; grit and muck - Munster, pretty rugby - Leinster, black hole of information - Ulster, and plucky underdogs - Connacht. The sooner they wake up to the fact that these stereotypes are meaningless the better.

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8 years 6 months ago #13407

why Rog had to be brought on at 50 min is beyond me.imo he shouldnt even have been on the bench.


Apparently its the new thing down south that there going to use ROG at 10 and Keatley at 12. They've being mooting this all week and talking it up in training. This way ROG is kept happy while Keatly gets gametime. Don't think it helps anyone really (especially Downey and Hanrahan) but there you go.

Did anyone see the MF site? there were guys on it calling for a boycott cause Ulster didn't bring there first team! I hope there bitter divorce with reality comes to a amiable resolution soon.

P.S. That's not a slight at Munster fans just pointing out how a small minority on that site have left the reservation.


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8 years 6 months ago #13409

i have to admit that at first glance it looked a poor ulster team but when you looked closelt it wasnt bad at all. with the exception of noc all the rest are good players.

the nutters will always have their say. its mostly good old fashioned banter between the wums from the other provinces and the local headers. rugbys version of hooliganism i guess.

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8 years 6 months ago #13412

Very true. And the only thing that gets hurt is feelings. What do you think of the ROG at 10 and Keatly at 12 axis? It imo hasn't been a success at Ireland when they tried it, putting Sexton at 12 and I can't see it working for Munster.


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8 years 6 months ago #13471

Id pref er to see keatley at 10 and jj at 12 or vice versa. Id keep rog on bench as insurance policy for tight games. He is a points machine and that cant be ignored.

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8 years 6 months ago #13472

Id prefer to see Keatley at 10 and jj at 12 or vice versa. Id keep rog on bench as insurance policy for tight games. He is a points machine and that cant be ignored.


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I think its a bad case of player power hurting the team unfortunately.


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8 years 6 months ago #13474

a bit like ee here rog has earned the respect of everyone with an interest in munster. the reality is that hes been a major influence on everything that has been achieved in the 14 yrs of his pro career. he will be sorely missed. his contract is up in the summer afaik and hes playing for an extension like everyone else.

i dont think he will get a central contract. munster will prob give him one year on decent terms. and look at it again then.

the problem is that keats doesnt have the control at 10 that munster desire. his decision making isnt there and imo will never be. hes more instinctive but that brings its own problems. i think he will end up at 12 and be a very good one. hes big, strong, creative and loves to run. he can tackle too. at 12 the kicking is largely taken away from him which imo is his achilles heel. not technically but deciding when to and where to put it.

no one knows if jj will be the answer but his game is better suited to what munster require from a 10. i dont think hes ready yet which imo is why penney goes back to rog in big games.

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8 years 6 months ago #13567

that was utter sh**** tonight.

absolute crap and totally unacceptable.

mr penney its time you and your team started to earn your money. all that talk of attacking space is just bol**x if yor team dont man up and apply themselves to the game.

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8 years 6 months ago #13568

watched the end after i seen a friend, munster man giving out on facebook. they were clueless.
well rte, bad choice about games tonight,

munster lost 2 from 2 in musgrave this season. end of march it will be 3 from 3 :evil:

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8 years 6 months ago #13763

Let's hope.

Still though I hate to see Irish provinces falling apart like the way Munster are doing this year. They have the investment to compete on multiple fronts. It looks like the result of not allowing younger leaders to emerge over the years. Still it is likely only temporary.


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