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9 years 4 months ago #1682

McComish is a huge loss, more so then Keats


Certainly a matter of opinion and I had a lot of time for McComish and thought he was hard done by Eric after a promising start to last season, but I have to say that not having a clear cut first choice outhalf has been a bigger problem for Connacht so far this season than the backrow.  NOC is not seizing the opportunity presented him and while Jarvis has shown potential he is where Keatley was 2-3 years ago as far as development.  I would take Ian straight back, it would take another injury in the backrow for me to call Mike up.

Obviously I'm gutted by the Leinster result, I really thought had Connacht been able to score first in the second half putting themselves up by more than 2 scores they would have been home free.  The critical question for me is why were the subs handled the way they were as they had a major influence on the outcome?  How many were made due to illness or injury and how many were tactical changes on Eric's part?  If it's the former I'm a little less concerned than if it's the latter. 

Finally, I have to admit to my part in the loss.  I was able to watch the first half of the match as Connacht took the 20-8 lead, but due to family obligations could not watch the second half at all.  Clearly the collapse falls squarely on my shoulders, my apologies to all.

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9 years 4 months ago #1684

lads, ye are getting carried away with yourselves here. you overreacted when u won the few games and now ye are overreacting to saturdays loss.


In fairness I don't think many overreacted to the early wins, the results were good but not the performance level in general, if you read back the posts I think you'll find the majority saying we were lucky to win the two home games anyway. I wasn't expecting much at the RDS but to find ourselves in the position we did and to turn in such a poor performance after half time, and show such little composure was extremely dispiriting.

Also in fairness the pack is effectively the same starting pack as last year bar Cronin(who we didn't see for most of last year anyway) and Hagan whose loss is huge, George is a big loss as was Ray having to go off at ht. 9 and 10 are well experienced too yet didn't lead by example. You would expect Rodney Ah You to be stepping up to the plate a bit more, Wilkinson's form lately has been well below his high standards, Reynecke has been dissapointing to date.

As you say though its difficult to make such big changes to the squad and pick up where you left off. The homes games are huge but chances of wins or even points on the road come around rarely enough, even more rare after the world cup, so last Saturday was hard to stomach. Glasgow won in Cardiff(with bp) and Leinster away, Treviso up in Ulster etc., Connacht are unsettled and weaker than last year but these teams are who we expect to be around us in the table and they took the chances (minus large numbers of internationals) when they came whereas we are close to full strength and can't see out the deal in similar type matches.

Lets hope we can learn from these mistakes and push on with the team getting more used to playing with one another.

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9 years 4 months ago #1686

i take your point borders no.2 and acknowledge your superior knowledge of the team and squad. i have only really started taking an interest in last 12 mths or so when rte/tg4 started showing games live. what suprises me most is connachts lack of a dynamic rucking and mauling game considering the weather conditions you appear to be used to playing in at home. it would have comr in handy on sat when pressure came on in second half. the pack appear to renage on their responsbilities for large parts of the 2 games i have seen so far this season. i was a dragons game and for 60 minutes pack were going tru motions. a couple of changes in front row and outhalf and pack all of sudden were carrying ball down field making yards supported by positivity at half back and the whole attitude of team and tempo changed. ui think last sat was different in that leinster gifted 2 tries in 1st half and connacht were lifted by that 4 remainder of 1st half. unfortunately halftime came and rest is history. pack need to front up in next game and take control in loose. obviously scrum needs to improve also but thats a work in progress. hopefully the crowd keeps improving and team get them involved in game early. im bringing my son for his first visit so hopefully a good atmosphere. finally on elwood, i cant comment much on his coaching abilityas i havent seen enuf games but in my opinion(baseed on interviews seen) he has been the driving force behind all improvements to facilities etc in last few months. i also think he may be tryng to keep best players somewhat fresh and hopefully fit for heineken games coming up while trying to get a few points on board while world cup on. i ont think he is 100% exp levels of some players which is why he appears to be shuffling same players in and out.

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9 years 4 months ago #1692

Last year was an improvement over the year before, and this year has been an improvement so far. With the massive changes in personnel I think it will take a bit of time for them to settle in, and the game in Leinster, with so many injuries and positional changes hardly can be used to prove a point.
You are intimating some personality clashes in the camp, and really you don't have much to back it up, unless you are witness to them yourself or were told about it by someone involved. Either way you are only presenting one side of these things and it suits your argument to do so. I hope you understand that that would make some people (myself included) wary of taking you at face value.

I like to echo what ummm is saying though. It's great to a "Devil's Advocate" to ask these kinds of questions. I hope you're wrong as we all know how entrenched the Connacht management can be!


Why does it take time to settle in, you are either a professional or you are not, you either train everyday with your team mates or you don't. The changes in players were down to Connacht, certainly a few were forced on us, but the vast majority were players we let go. Gavin Duffy said it a few years ago, Connacht release to many players, they are here one season gone the next, look through the who's who of players and see who we have released, not guys that left but we said hey pal you are not good enough piss off. Many of these guys are now Internationals, many are playing in the top teams in Europe. As for intimating I know some more, I asked some questions and got some very honest answers.

I agree Eric speaks very well he is very passionate about Connacht no doubt about that, he is a great figure head no doubt about that either, and I am pretty positive he is one dead sound guy,but he is not a good coach. I can speak passionately about beating Michael Schumacher in an F1 race and I will convince some people, but the difference between me and Eric is, I actually know I do not have the necessary skill to beat Michael, but I can convince myself and other people that I do.
We have all seen the difference the new defence coach has made, we have seen the difference a backs coach has made and we have seen our forwards get on top of even the most celebrated big name internationals. It time to let these guys get on with it themselves and I bet we will see a difference that is my point. The other stuff that goes on behind the scenes I really do not give a fidlers about, its what happens on match day and what I see with my two eyes.  Moral victories are not acceptable, and I know every single player will say the same thing, some will just say it and in there own heads think they mean it, others will really say it with all there body and soul. I have taken up too much of your time in reading my waffle. Keep pushin..

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9 years 4 months ago #1693

Of course it takes time to settle in. We were a better team with Carr, Hagan, Cronin and Keatley in their second years than we were in their first year.


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9 years 4 months ago #1694

Clan clover doesn't think Eric Elwood is a good coach - If we score tries it's to the credit of other coaches, if we don't concede tries it's down to other coaches and if we loose it's Elwoods fault. I think that summarises it. 

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9 years 4 months ago #1695

Clan clover doesn't think Eric Elwood is a good coach - If we score tries it's to the credit of other coaches, if we don't concede tries it's down to other coaches and if we loose it's Elwoods fault. I think that summarises it.


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9 years 4 months ago #1697

Well, to be honest that's how I felt about the coaches and Bradley when he was in charge  ;D


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9 years 4 months ago #1698

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9 years 4 months ago #1700

Clan clover doesn't think Eric Elwood is a good coach - If we score tries it's to the credit of other coaches, if we don't concede tries it's down to other coaches and if we loose it's Elwoods fault. I think that summarises it.


Yes I do not believe he has not got the necessary ability as a coach, Yes to the not conceding tries IT IS down to the Defence coach and its silly to even think other wise, its his job, its his tactics, its his training on positioning and defence alignment and then it is down to individual players to carry out what they have learned. So yes full credit to the defence coach. If a try has been scored and it is off a backs move, I put it down to the Backs coach, if its a forwards try I put it down to the forwards coach and the individual players carrying out the trained moves. If we loose do I blame Eric, certainly not, I don't blame Eric either if the weather is bad. They are countless reasons for losing a match. ummmm, I agree they were better the second year, I put some of that down to the fact that they all went with the Irish National coaches to the Churchhill cup or the 2 internationals in Canada for 4 weeks after the first season, maybe I am wrong as on that tour Keats changed his kicking style after some coaching from the national team kicking Guru. 

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9 years 4 months ago #1701

So clan clover yor basicly saying there is no need for a head coach, in every sport you need to give new players time to settle with new surrondings, new faces, different tactics ect ect......  ::)

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9 years 4 months ago #1702

So clan clover yor basicly saying there is no need for a head coach, in every sport you need to give new players time to settle with new surrondings, new faces, different tactics ect ect......  ::)


I know what you mean, but my point is these guys have been training with each other since  July every single working day, going through tactics positioning, learning defence patterns etc . So from that point of view I do not see why they have to settle in. Eight weeks is enough time to be familar with everything, but there is evidence that they do need this time. But if you knew it would take 6 weeks+ of the new season for your new team to settle, especially when that six weeks coincided with all your competitors having weakened teams due to a world cup(and the biggest opportunity to gain points) would you let 15 players leave and bring in 15 new faces.
We have what we have in terms of players and there is nothing wrong with them, some lack experience granted but also IMHO some have really stepped up to the plate others are not there yet. I said this last season and I think I will end up saying it again, I would not swap a Connacht player for a player from any of the other provinces. Would I swap, Swifty for Paul O Connell, no I would not I actually think Swifty is a better all round player. A good head coach can make a big difference, plenty of evidence of that around, look at Montpeiller and Clermount to name but two, one or two star players and the rest is just work ethic, skills and coaching.

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9 years 4 months ago #1703

I think you're fighting a losing battle here CC! :P

In fairness you could be right. You have made some good points, but really we won't know one way or another if EE has the skills required until he has been given the chance to prove it one way or another. There are no variables now, and he will ultimately have to answer for poor performances, so time will tell.

I hope you are wrong, but we will see.


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9 years 4 months ago #1709

I cannot believe the negativity towards Eric, he is obviously Connacht to the bone, if you cut him he would bleed Green blood. If the sooth sayers on this board can do better then feel free to apply for Head Coach of Connacht Rugby because you obviously know better, and are better qualified than the present coach.
For my part he is doing well with limited resourses, of course you need time to bed in as a proffesional rugby player. The statement made that you are Pro or not Pro is utter shite,these young lads are stepping up from age grade rugby,therefore require time to become proffesional rugby players. Very few players are born proffesional, it is a learning proccess all through your carreer, it's just that some learn faster than others.
I for one will wait in anticipation of a raft of applications to land on the mat of the Connacht Rugby Office floor.

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9 years 4 months ago #1713

How does Clan clover write so much, just to say he does not think Elwood is not a good coach?  I think we get it, but i would just say there is more than one factor in the success, or otherwise of a professional sports team.

Looking forward to a long-winded response!

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9 years 4 months ago #1714

Greendragon i'm with you cant believe what i was reading. EE has done well in my eyes he has brought a sense of excitement and hope to all fans except clan clover. no more are we expecting to get a good thumping away from home. and this is only a year and a half  into the job with lets face it feck all money. He did a great job with the u20's few years back and has brought in a few good players. So lads lets stop this shite and start supporting our team witch includes Eric. So Front up, Rise Up, Turn up

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