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7 years 6 months ago #15410

Came across this blog / article on Twitter recently, thought it was worth was worth a read if you have a spare 10 mins.

www.4dfoot.com/2013/02/09/doping-in-foot...y-years-of-evidence/

It basically builds a fairly convincing stream of evidence within football of a systemic, cycling esque problem with performance enhancing drug abuse in various forms throughout the last 50 years.

I have to hold my hand up, I did not appreciate how prevalent PEDs were in soccer. I was a bit taken aback to read that Franz Beckenbauer admitted to having blood transfusions back in the 70's and he personally hailed that as the reason for his "ability to remain at top level",it makes you wonder with the amount of money involved in the game today how far has the deviancy evolved?

That said if it is a widespread in soccer it must be as big a problem in all professional sports including rugby - where in a way there who'd have the biggest advantage to be gained in terms of taking strength and endurance enhancements.

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7 years 6 months ago #15455

I've no doubt that PEDs are rampant in sports. You'd have to be pure naive not to think so. Just take a look at the set ups in the US for instance. The players in the NFL, MLB failing tests, the fighters in the UFC testing postive, boxers failing tests. I've no doubt that NHL and NBA are using too. That article on the football is excellent.

As far as rugby is concerned, again I've no doubt. I've read an article written by a league 2 player in England who said everyone on his team was using. I'll have to hunt that down.

Here's another one that is very good: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question


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7 years 6 months ago #15460

theCulk wrote: I've no idea why what I posted above is invisible.

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I've no doubt that PEDs are rampant in sports. You'd have to be pure naive not to think so. Just take a look at the set ups in the US for instance. The players in the NFL, MLB failing tests, the fighters in the UFC testing postive, boxers failing tests. I've no doubt that NHL and NBA are using too. That article on the football is excellent.

As far as rugby is concerned, again I've no doubt. I've read an article written by a league 2 player in England who said everyone on his team was using. I'll have to hunt that down.

Here's another one that is very good: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8904906/daring-ask-ped-question


A lot of people would still have a hard time believing there are drugs in soccer, purely because the general public equate steroids with size. EPO would be just as useful to soccer players as cyclists for instance, and testosterone and growth hormone are primarily used for recovery purposes rather than growth, despite the name.

There are still a lot of grey areas though, for instance altitude training produces the same effects as epo but one is banned and the other isn't. Its about perception. Vitamin D can increase testosterone by up to 20% and tanning lamps were banned from the 1936 olympics I believe because they created an unfair advantage. Then there are all sorts of other high tech training techniques that can provide improvements in performance.

I would not be a bit surprised if many rugby players were using steroids, the amount of games they play, the frequency, and the impact they go through almost demands it. Even though I accept that drugs are a part of sport rightly or wrongly, it would still disappoint me to know certain players I admire are on steroids.
Having said all that one thing that makes me feel steroids in rugby are less common is the much lower salaries and the way some players come back from injury much lighter than when they were injured. Its not that I don't think a player might use steroids to come back from injury especially a bad one, but the salary on offer is so much less than other sports that it is not quite as important to use. Likewise I don't think a player coming back lighter is a guarantee of non drug use, but it at least suggests it.
Conversely however we sometimes see players with repeated tendon and ligament injuries and this is often a sign of drug use where the muscles capacity for growth have outstripped the slower growing connective tissues.

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7 years 6 months ago #15461

When u take the top14 into the equation, the money, amount of games played, level of physicality and the recent failed tests(steffon armitage springs to mind) you have to assume its rife there. If its rife there it will be present everywhere. Frnkie failed a drug test nearly 10yrs ago here afterall.

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